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Dear Philipp Schmidt (p2pu), Nicolas Sadriac (42), Paul Graham (Y Combinator), Mitchell Baker (Mozilla Foundation), Joi Ito (MIT), Cathy Davidson (Duke), Sue Gardner (Wikimedia Foundation), Mark Shuttleworth (Canonical), Michael J. Saylor, (Saylor), Wayne Mackintosh (OERU), Advisory Board http://education.okfn.org/advisory-board/ (Open Education Working Group ...
 
 
TODO: organize a meeting of people involved in these projects and other related ones
https://twitter.com/Nkbe1/status/451659587478110208) (connection w/member of the Open Ed Working Group)
 
 
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Charles D Peeragogy Accelerator Cycle 1 Week 5
Week 5 Homework
 
Solidifying your work plan and learning strategy together with concrete measures for ‘success’ can move the project forward significantly.
 
Activity – Distill your ideas by writing an essay, making visual sketches, or creating a short video to communicate the unique plans for organization and evaluation that your group will use. By this time, you should have identified which aspects of the project need to be refined or expanded. Dive in!
Technology – Take time to mentor others or be mentored by someone, meeting up in person or online. Pair up with someone else and share knowledge together about one or more tools. You can discuss some of the difficulties that you’ve encountered, or teach a beginner some tricks.
Deadline - 6 July 2014
 
Notes from 30 June 2014 Micro Meeting
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Joe Corneli
12:57 PM
https://piratenpad.de/98TJIQWGWS - sharing the difficulty, no one will lead but will join if someone else leads, opportunistically seeking benefit
handbook stuff
Solidifying your work plan and learning strategy together with concrete measures for ‘success’ can move the project forward significantly.
 
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Joe Corneli
1:17 PM
Solidifying your work plan and learning strategy together with concrete measures for ‘success’ can move the project forward significantly.
 
Activity – Distill your ideas by writing an essay, making visual sketches, or creating a short video to communicate the unique plans for organization and evaluation that your group will use. By this time, you should have identified which aspects of the project need to be refined or expanded. Dive in!
 
Technology – Take time to mentor others or be mentored by someone, meeting up in person or online. Pair up with someone else and share knowledge together about one or more tools. You can discuss some of the difficulties that you’ve encountered, or teach a beginner some tricks.
 
Charles Danoff
1:17 PM
@Joe nice!
Week 5, right?
 
Joe Corneli
1:17 PM
yep
 
me
1:18 PM
Uncertainty principle
 
Charles Danoff
1:19 PM
 
Joe Corneli
1:20 PM
> Take time to mentor others or be mentored by someone, meeting up in person or online.
Crisis of departure = activated people
Self-interest helps
giving up & letting go
 
Charles Danoff
1:22 PM
 
Joe Corneli
1:22 PM
Cambridge Innovation Center
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Joe Corneli
1:29 PM
ipne project & coffee house concerts
focusing on one show & bringing in people with one theme
people with young kids, lead the doc with leading questions to get the conversations going - artists had friends who were musicians
 
Charles D Attendees
  • Joe Corneli
  • Charlie Danoff
  • List Snow MacDonald
 
General Notes
Joe C
  • Mindful of the patterns that work.
Charles D
  • Study: People who are encouraged to journal after a break up feel worse, people who just take track of what they did in the following days 
Joe C
  • Taking advantage of the situation that you're in instead of moaning about how you'd want to change things.
  • Time spent trying to deconstruct why people
 
  • Issue publication date pushed back to 14 July 2014
  • All participants have done their homework now Charlie needs to organize and give back feedback
 
IPNE
  • New board member
  • Finished important agenda for upcoming meeting
  • Cambridge Innovation Center
Joe C
  • Doc = here I am and she started working on it.
  • 10 minutes to make a plan.
 
Charles D Planet Math
 
The Peeragogy Handbook
  • What is our next goal?
  • Doesn't need to be our only reason for living, but it is our beacon/logo
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Joe C
  • Wk 4 - PAR(s)
Note: History of Peeragogy  (for UP inclusion) - needs edit
We started very small in Autumn 2010.  Joe Corneli and Charlie Danoff agreed to sit in on one another's first facilitated courses at P2PU, and share
feedback.  Joe's course did not go very well, and Charlie's went well enough,
so we took the opportunity to discuss this in Charlie's course.  Joe came
up with the word "paragogy" to describe what he thought was missing.
Our papers on this topic are collected on http://paragogy.net and Joe
also wrote about this in his PhD thesis.  Later, Howard Rheingold got wind
of "paragogy" through Charlie, and decided it would work better as
"peeragogy".  Howard being who he is, he was able to bring in quite a
few interested people
are still tuned in, but if the project is going to be successful at this point, it will need a "Third Wave". 
 
Guest Week 4 Peeragogy Accelerator PAR
 
By Joe & Chuck
 
Charles D Peeragogy Edition
 
(1) Review what was supposed to happen.
Guest We were expecting to have more people attending and participating in the Accelerator and working on structured projects.
 
 
Charles D (2) Establish what is happening.
Guest Instead we have had a drop off in participation.
This is interesting - even people who have formerly been very involved in meetings aren't coming to the Accelerator - "
 
Charles D (3) Determine what’s right and wrong with what we are doing.
 
Guest RIGHT
 - It's good that we're continuing to make an effort, one of the things we learned at P2PU is that it's good to do stuff if we're planning to do it anyway (our fall 2010 course experience)We might have "Community service" motivations, but we're here to learn ourselves, and that's happening even now! Our experience here in the "Alpha" iteration of the Accelerator will be useful for others.
 
  • We wanted to build an "offering", not necessarily for the same people - 
 
WRONG
We think it's either too much structure for the Accelerator and/or a lack of structure that is scaring off participants.
 
  • We thought that the audience was "OER 14" but it turns out, maybe just by bad luck due to scheduling of Joe's talk, that we never connected with people there.  Also, the ability to recruit the 3 people who did come was limited.  The message wasn't so motivating!
  • Other people there - spoke with them about building an OER consortium.
  • We haven't made it clear enough to others "what we offer" - the accelerator itself was supposed to be that, but it isn't so much
  • We need a narrative: subject, verb, object
  • What do we offer relative to "x"?
  • Joe: "I'm gonna buy you lunch."
  • Chuck "I'm good I just ate."
  • So, to someone else it has to be an offer people are hungry for?
 
Charles D (4) What  did we learn or change?
 
Guest it seems like structure is "scaring people off." AND this is somehow a pattern.  It's relevant to further outreach for the project - 
  • Are we going about things the wrong way?
  • Is it the wrong population?
  • All the people who were excited by Peeragogy are just not excited by this!
 
Maybe bringing structure isn't what the "Peeragogy Project" wants, that doesn't mean its not peeragogical, but the group of people we're working with do not appear to be interested in structured learning experiences/environments AND THAT'S OK.
  • There is evidence to support this - nearly every time we ASKED people to do something for the handbook, they did not do it, whereas if people came along and WANTED to do something, they typically jumped in.
 
If you ASK someone to do something they won't do it (in this context) VS if a teacher asks a student to do something or a boss asks an employee to do something they would do it.
 
People are coming for fun, not to be told what 2 due.
 
Why do people sign up for a class?
 
  • (We've never even been that good at instructions, people come along and say "how do I get involved, they become very confused.)
 
When discussing the design of the Accelerator our community was very against the idea of time limits/calendar (Joe + Chuck were the only ones who wanted it, so we're reaping what we sowed).
 
[Caveat: It might just be the summer is a busy time for everyone and their schedules have already been booked]
 
Charles D (5) What else should we change going forward?
 
Guest Dear Philipp Schmidt (p2pu), Nicolas Sadriac (42), Paul Graham (Y Combinator), Mitchell Baker (Mozilla Foundation), Joi Ito (MIT), Cathy Davidson (Duke), Sue Gardner (Wikimedia Foundation), Mark Shuttleworth (Canonical), Michael J. Saylor, (Saylor), Wayne Mackintosh (OERU), Advisory Board http://education.okfn.org/advisory-board/ (Open Education Working Group, Jimmy Wales ...
 
Would we have a better response from (any) of them - maybe not but for different reasons?
  • Maybe not, b/c they would be people who'd likely be interested in MORE structure than we currently have
  • Also, they have structure -- their own structure -- already going on... if we were to call up Dr G ... we might get referred to his assistant.  (People ARE busy.)
 
Maybe what we aren't clear enough about is, what do WE WANT out of the Accelerator?
  • We might have seen it intuitively, but didn't have buy in from anyone else.
  • If we did successfully do some outreach, who would we be talking to?  What would we be offering them?   Helene is a good example - interested in Peeragogy, not in the Accelerator.
 
  • People are really into writing "new" stuff - abstracts & papers (esp. w/our policy that you get included just for showing up for the meeting)
  • maybe move more towards "abstract" style writing -> just focus on 1 pattern/time (for this audience)
  • vs 8 (or, say, 4) weeks just focused in on 1 project
  • Lots of people come into the pool of applicants and 1 project is chosen for the pool
  • Groups of 4 - 5 people
  • Divide into groups based on experience w/peeragogy (e.g. Joe and i working today in a holistic way across our individual projects & peeragogy has been incredibly useful)
  • Stretch to find 4 people w/something in common and 12 even moreso
                            Small groups are useful if people have specific things in common
  • Micro reporting
  • Connect to Joe's idea about building library/university from micro level
  • Ride on "nano degrees" -> micro university
  • get a "nano degree" with 5 hours/work or something less in 30 minutes
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Charles D Week 4 Peeragogy Accelerator PAR
 
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December - Publish the next issue and hold another successful release party at a Chicago event space that we have the funds to pay to rent out and have that event generate a profit.
 
Charles D OUTREACH (Chicago Organizations to connect w/or interview)
  • badatsports.com
 
 
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Joe C Review Questions
Charles D Week 2 Peeragogical Action Review
 
 
  1. Review what was supposed to happen.
  • Jim - statistician at UC Berkeley
  • Ray - 
  • Is there a "place" - 
  • E.g. IPNE, forum 
  • IPNE
  •  We've had a bunch of board members resign shortly after elected... 
  • Charlotte has assumed co-presidency!  
Charles D
  • peeragogy patterns will be important for working together
Joe C
  • Trying to explain what the benefits are so that newcomers understand what the point is. 
  • Peers/People need to have to have a visible benefit if they are going to participate
Charles D
  • simple, accurate communications
  • visible board benefits
  • lively roster of activities
  • big lead time on stuff
  • consistent message
  • Publication opportunities for the June issue, send something based on what we've been doing here by Sunday the 15th
  • Weeks 1-2 write up on your projects!
Charles D
  • Hold Petite Soirée № 17 to promote the "Peeragogy Accelerator" issue to be published at the end of June
  1. Establish what is happening. 
  • PlanetMath:
  • IPNE:
  • Charlotte drafted a co-president
  • She knows that they work well together
  • Uncertainty Principle
Joe C
  • Other:
  • Kurt says - since we're talking "patterns" how about an On-Ramp pattern?
  • It's interesting that the software people have taken this up and that you can get things done with them - they are a lot like recipes, although there's a built-in invitation to come in and use it as a group learning process
  • How many people would get behind this to form something as a group?  What you need would be a group of people who would be moved to commitment and action.  If you start out with 100 people, you might get 10 groups of 10
  • Not practical to try to get everyone to agree on one thing.  If it doesn't work, just fork
  1. Determine what’s right and wrong with what we are doing.
  • PlanetMath:
  • IPNE:
  • People tend to drive each other nuts, e.g. because they have lots of brainstorms that are hard for others to follow
  • Uncertainty Principle
Charles D
  • Release party occurred, could've given more time to PR the Accelerator
Joe C
  • Other:
  1. What  did we learn or change?
  • Peeragogy
  • Need to articulate what the benefit is better
  • Clear communications for everyone
  • lots of lead time
  • consistent benefits
  • PlanetMath:
  • IPNE:
  • Uncertainty Principle
Charles D
  • Learned that there is good interest in The UP (over 20 people attended release party)
Joe C
  • Other:
  1. What else should we change going forward?
  • PlanetMath:
  • IPNE:
  • Know what you're trying to accomplish and know why the organization is relevant
  • e.g. video doesn't work for IPNE members, gone back to phone conferencing - people are familiar with this
  • Hangouts in Real Life are a good alternative - regional metro Boston - VT Mafia, Champaign Publishing initiative in Burlington
  • Uncertainty Principle
Charles D
  • Need to follow-up more consistently with people interested in the UP and publish more regularly
  • Choose date for next event sooner rather than later
Joe C
  • Other:
  • Kurt: "It's right now" 
  • Because I see everything you post and it's high quality and it adds up over months!
 
Charles D 15 June 2014 - Deadline for Week 2 Peeragogy Accelerator submission 
editor@theuncertaintyprinciple.biz
 
Joe C Activity  – Come up with a plan  for your work and an agreement, or informal  contract, for your group.  You can use the suggestions in this guide as a  starting point, but your  first task is to revise the plan to suit your  needs. It might be helpful  to ask: What are you interested in  learning? What is your primary  intended outcome? What problem do you  hope to solve?  How collaborative  does your project need to be? How  will the participants’ expertise in  the topic vary? What sort of  support will you and other participants  require? What problems won’t  you solve?
 
 
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peeragogy.hackpad.com
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(1) Review what was supposed to happen. (2) Establish what is happening. (3) Determine what’s right and wrong with what we are doing. (4) What did we learn or change? (5) What else should we change going forward?
Charles Danoff muted you.
 
me
1:19 PM
Hi Kurt!
He's a FIT man...
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Joe C Accelerator Week 1 - Peeragogy
 
Setting the initial challenge and building a framework for accountability among participants is an important starting point.
 
8 weeks + 4 for working
 
Activity  – Come up with a plan for your work and an agreement, or informal  contract, for your group.  You can use the suggestions in this guide as a starting point, but your  first task is to revise the plan to suit your needs.  It might be helpful to ask: What are you interested in learning?  What is your primary intended outcome? What problem do you  hope to solve?  How collaborative does your project need to be?  How will the participants’ expertise in the topic vary?  What sort of support will you and other participants require?  What problems won’t you solve?
 
Initial Outline
  1. How is open research relevant to what we're doing in Peeragogy?
Charles D
  1. Peeragogy Labs 
  1. not building startups, but conducting experiments 
  1. What's the difference?
  1. Apply Linux & Wikipedia ideas to the University
Joe C
  1. What are their outcomes in the course
Charles D
  1. Research on research?
  1. Publish paper after writing it in LaTex with cool GitHub tool
Joe C
  1. Jim Pitman building an Open Digital Mathematics Library (ODML for short) -- we get people who are interested in this stuff together?
  1. Who are the people who are involved in open research so we can invite them?  (We could look chapter-by-chapter in Dorotea's thesis.)
Charles D
  1. Make an event afterwards?  (What could that look like?) to keep the conversation going
  1. Many ppl like research, but turned off when its slow. Isn't there a way where it could be more dynamic? More social?
  1. NO ONE IS DOING OPEN RESEARCH - Everyone is just talking about it.  (Research on Open Research may exist already, ... but people will publish results in © journals.)
Joe C
  1. Willow Brugh - "you think you're trying to build a community, but you're already part of a community"
  1. Dorotea: but there's not an infrastructure
  1. We want to invent a business model so that we can have infrastructure for Open Research
Charles D
  1. Not so obvious to invent something that really works
  1. Want to build the university that gives the infrastructure to make it actually possible to conduct Open Research
 
Joe C Technology  – Familiarize yourself with the collaboration tools you intend to use (e.g. WordPress,  Git and LaTeX, YouTube, GIMP, a public wiki, a private forum, or something else) and create a first post, edit, or video introducing yourself and your project(s) to others in the worldwide peeragogy community.
 
Tech: Next steps
  1. Dorotea's drafts / notes onto Github 
  1. LaTeXML and SkelML to publish to web pages
  1. Place to gather - installing a WP multisite (Accelerator 2.0 / Peeragogy Labs? / Libre University 1.0)
  1. Show that we're experienced in the subject, show that we have some value to offer... e.g. consultancy, mentorship, sustainability
Charles D
  1. enable a sustainable working thing
  1. no tuition? part of our business model is that students pay $0 and/or we pay students to study?
Joe C
  1. Bibliography and people to contact
Charles D
  1. List of 20 Projects ppl could do? (make ourselves look more professional)
 
Joe C Suggested ResourcesThe Peeragogy Handbook, parts I (‘Introduction’) and II (‘Peer Learning’). You may also want to work through a short lesson called Implementing Paragogy,  from  the early days before the Peeragogy project was convened. For a   succinct theoretical treatment, please refer to our literature review,   which we have adapted into a Wikipedia page.
 
Long-term and Short-term vision
Somewhat similar to http://metameso.org/~joe/math/pmfuture.html organized according to "scale" but we can look at "soon" and "less soon" -- time scales.
 
Joe C
  •  BPE: Before Peeragogy Era
  • ST: Short Term
  • MT: Medium Term
  • LT: Long Term
 
Charles D BPE: Why hasn't our stuff (Open Education, Open Research, Free/Open blah blah blah) happened yet?
Joe C
  • Conservatism of the system
  • Technology wasn't ready
  • Authority systems are pretty standardized and entrenched
Charles D
  • Research hasn't changed much over 100s of years!!! (like becoming a monk, after you make that promise you will always live your life like that)
  • Example: you have a visa that only allows you to do 1 job at any given time
Joe C
  • Teaching is only just starting to change (maybe)
  • ...
  • Trying to do anything not standard if you want to get accreditation (there are some obstacles, although they are surmountable):
  • "This is the ideal, e.g. student record keeping, student progress" 
  • There are many different ways to meet the ideal, but there are also creative things you can do where you're NOT meeting the ideal.
  • They allow for innovation, but you have to satisfy the requirements - this is good, in order to avoid ideas that are scams
 
ST: Stuff we can do pretty much right now
Charles D
  • free, cheap as possible ... prove that we have some knowledge to share
  • figure out how to present ourselves and then maybe we can get some sponsorships
  • What is our value add?
Joe C
  • Offer badges right away (inside the Accelerator)
 
MT: If we've built some reputation, we can think of offering first certificates 
Charles D
  • Offer badges / certificates
Joe C
  • Mozilla would be good to get involved
 
Charles D LT: Eventually we can offer degrees (but we cannot "teach" everything ourselves)
Joe C
  • Figure out how accreditation works
 
Further Reading Boud, D. and Lee, A. (2005). ‘Peer learning’ as pedagogic discourse for research education. Studies in Higher Education, 30(5):501–516.
 
Observations from the Peeragogy project   – We had a fairly weak project structure at the outset, which yielded mixed results. One participant said: “I definitely think I do better when presented with a framework or scaffold to use for participation or   content development.” Yet the same person wrote with enthusiasm about models of entrepreneurship, saying she was “freed of the requirement or need for an entrepreneurial visionary.” 
 
 
Chat
Dorotea *******************
ok let's just try the chat
to see if we can use it as a chat here
  • I  think we can use it as a chat , right ?
Joe C
  • wow it's awesome .... @HeleneFinidori check it out!
  • two lines even amazing
Charles D
  • This is awesome!
Joe C
 
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